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Went and watched a local show yesterday where there were some very nice horses being shown in-hand (pretty sure it was a youngstock class as there seemed to be a lot of young-ish horses!) There were about 12-15 in the class and one woman showing a very pretty chocolate dun struggled from start to finish holding him. He was a 2 year old gelding and he actually pulled free and took off around the arena to flirt with the mares on three separate occasions (apparently tried to mount one before we arrived)!  He came 5th. How highly does behaviour rank in a judge's decision? I'm not criticising the judge as the horse was lovely but I wonder how peeved some of the owners of other beautifully behaved horses might have felt, some of which were also pretty special looking too to my uneducated eyes!!
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| Well when I was judging, anything that was remotely destined to be ridden by a child - say anything under 14.2hds I would severly mark down if it behaved badly. I also think it doesn't bode well for the future of the animal when it's being shown by someone who can't present it properly. I put some stunning horses and ponies at the bottom of the line when they wouldn't stand still to be judged. It's a tough call to compare temperament with conformation in a showing class and I do feel sorry for the judges sometimes
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And I think that in breeding temperament is paramount... and that goes for mares too.
I have found that difficult mares have such a major influence on foals just by proximity and behaviour by example that it is best to get the foal away from her as soon as possible..within reason.
Don't understand why people use stallions known to be vicious .....provided it is not caused by environmental factors rather than genetic heredity. And that is a difficult one......Nature versus Nurture.
I have never judged horses etc ....only ever judged a Beauty contest for young women which I enjoyed and a Carnival Attendants one which I didn't. You try rejecting several bright-eyed 6 year olds in favour of another couple of six year olds. It is very hard to live with oneself afterwards..sob. 
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| ^^^ I'm interested to read your comments about temperament in mares MM. Our Intelligent Horsemanship lady who has seen Tehya at her best and worst has said she'd be cautious about breeding from her in case she passed on the 'nasty' side (perhaps as a result of being a protective Mum) rather than the soppy gentle side which is her more 'usual' behaviour in comfortable and relaxed scenarios.
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my mom who is a judge over here is very good in things like this eg is a yearling canters or messes not dangerious its ignored however anything old that messes is marked down and if it broke free they are asked to leave except foals (as they can do that the odd time
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| Certainly anything that continuily disrupts the line up by rearing or getting loose should be asked to leave. That's not babyish behaviour, that's bad manners brought on by a 'stressful' situation
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You know iv only just spotted this topic but it might interest you to know that this year we took oreo to driffield show in the 3yr old hunter class and behaviour was just disregarded! Which for a county show i found bizarre 
I mean i couldn't of been prouder of oreo she was the best behaved by far and stood perfectly still (but i know im biased  ) and we weren't expecting to rank high anyways (we got 5th) but what p****d us off was that the horse that won was rearing half the time and the judge was so scared of this horse that when it came to the giving of the rosette she actually dropped it and ran! i mean it was a nice horse don't get me wrong but for a 3yr old it was just unacceptable. Not only this though, the 3rd horse tried to kick the 2nd horse's head (and came very close!) and the rest didn't really stand still. In my opinion though i actually preferred the horse below us he was a lovely horse by rebelara and me and my dad before the class both saw it and said that will win, how wrong we were! 
Obviously its all personal opinions and thats the showing world, but i do think that behaviour should influence the line up, especially as they get older and if its more serious (rearing, getting loose etc.)
 Polo - 3rd best coloured.
Oreo - 1st Best youngster and candit shot. 
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im with you in our BIG 3 day show over here i took our git of a yearling in he is fine except bits you some times and doesnt steer great so just in for experince but the one i wouldhave had as winner rear once and was asked to leave on the walk around but the git in front of me kept trying to kick stevie then in the trot up narrowly missed the judge but it still won and we came second which was a shock but i know the girl in front of me and she said she was expecting to be asked to leave 
that was an english judge but our chairperson asked the pony not to come into the championship
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Well thats a bit odd isnt it to ask 1 horse to leave for rearing and another allowed to stay when its been trying kick others ?
Oh i must say though that the horse that won our class did stay for championships, and i dont know what they did to it cause it had a complete turn around in behaviour  i couldnt actually find it for ages cause it was doing nothing and i was looking for a big brat of a horse rearing! It did win 2 championships as well, although again i thought the reserve in one of them at least was much nicer lol (but dont know what the rest of the competition was like in them as we took oreo back home and then came back and saw the parade)
Polo - 3rd best coloured.
Oreo - 1st Best youngster and candit shot.
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