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RE: Dually Halters

Bornagainhorsewoman — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:42:51 GMT

JG Tehya is the same! She instantly switches in to "work" mode with the Dually on - her head lowers and she walks politely alongside/slightly behind (not that she pulls head but she can drag behind!!) :)

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Indiangel — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:14:05 GMT

Joey does that going to the arena where its a grass track. But we now have our walkways totally stoned to the field/yard, which is a life saver cause it cut that habit and also helped him as he didn't have to walk on mud!!! He still messes around a bit on the walkway - and thats always through either fear or high spirits!

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Jersey Girl — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:04:54 GMT

Exactly the same as Bob, i have found it is because he is hungry and wants to brake away to graze the track ;) maybe a clue to his behaviour :)

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Indiangel — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:20:43 GMT

Thank you :D I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over summer - and then maybe buy one coming into winter - which is always when he's worst!

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Jersey Girl — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:13:22 GMT

This is why i think the duallys perfect madx, it's totally kind if they are kind it only kicks in if they try to work against you as soon as they give it gives. It's the instant your reward is you comfort system

I have ob in the black one I have had him in the red but it it was awful to get on as it took a lot of manouering to get it over his head but the nose band fitted him better than the black one does.

But they do stretch massively. Bob shakes his head to test what he has on, he even knows when I have clipped the rope to the normal ring or the control ring (again ideal as it can be used as a totally normal headcollare when u want), which I do as soon as he gives me any poop i clip it to the outside ring and he know it :D

Just remember when you tie up to un snap from a side ring to the normal middle ring ;)

RE: Dually Halters

Indiangel — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:39:39 GMT

Recently Joey's been just fine in a normal nylon one, the whole time he doesnt become frantic and listens to me - it's fine, but when he becomes frantic - I need more support. I used a rope halter for about 5 months but for whatever reason, which I can only guess at, it's no longer working for him which is why I considered a dually, hhmmm shall continue thinking!

Cheers guys!

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icklebeckz — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:48:46 GMT

ive used alsorts on different horses and the thing that seems to work the best imho is a rope halter

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Bornagainhorsewoman — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:41:16 GMT

As you know, we use a dually for Tehya - along with a 10' lead rope (I think IH sell 12' ones but we bought the 10' from a tack shop) With the longer rope if he lurched he could get ahead of you but you'd still have control. Tehya's a lot bigger and a lot heavier than Joey and she used to throw herself about (OK I'm much heavier too so a similar comparison?!) ;)

She's happy in it and now associates it with work and her head comes down and she's (normally!) instantly more respectful. I was shown how to use it by an IH instructor so had the first use with her and she fitted it. I'd imagine Joey would need the red (small) one. Tehya's head is HUGE and the black (medium) is on the smallest settings nose-wise for her and goes on to third or fourth hole over the top. They do stretch a little bit too. They are expensive at £40 odd BUT a leather headcollar would cost more. It's horses for courses TBH but we chose this method and stuck with it and it's paid dividends! We're going to get one for Missy this year too.

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lexipuppy — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:55:01 GMT

oscars a sucess story :hehe:
people are gonna laugh at me for saying that given current circumstances but according to alison he is no where as bad as he used to be :P

but from speaking to alison in peterhead to now that dually is her life line, oscar knows how it works too so knows exactly what he can get away with.its not very often he nips or barges sometimes he'll have the odd tizzy leading but as far as i know with the dually hes back under control quickly :hehe:

same with nelo the lustiano on our yard, eve wouldn't be without hers it has helped her walk him out etc etc numerous times :D

RE: Dually Halters

Indiangel — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:56:04 GMT

Hey - thanks for the replies!

I've tried the bridle, that was a no and now the bit the reins attach too - yep one of them needs replacing cause it's about to rip totally across lol!

He's amazing to catch and canters to call! So I don't think that'd be a problem

I'm still pondering it, I do play with the parelli games on the ground - but it's leading him to the arena which is where I ideally need to be for the games cause theres only so much I can do on hard concrete on the yard - I've tried!

His leadings problems aren't usually as hardcore as they used to be - but he has that edge in him and shows it somedays (rearing, bolting and barging)

The rope halters just not doing much for him right now anymore, it probably will again one day but isn't right now and we've decided to put that aside for now for him, and look for something else - which is when I thought dually.

I told my mum about it, and after gulping at the price, she did then agree that it could be worth a shot

- so any other success/horror stories on them?!!! lol

RE: Dually Halters

Tally Ho — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:58:23 GMT

Just for Tatty:

I think JV meant to secure the rest of the rope halter so it doesn't work loose on the clip - to fold it back and keep it there ;)

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bigfluffyclydey — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:42:05 GMT

Hey Madz, I've have been pondering over this whilst cooking children's tea and painting the stairway :w00t: Firstly, I know a bit how you feel. Clydey has/had a habit of just taking off if he didn't like/was scared of something, you know the farrier (scary monster) going too far away from his mates etc etc. Things are much better now though.

He is so big that, although I'm not small, I could not stop him by force if he really wanted to go. If I absolutely have to have control leading him - like when we moved yards and led them there - and any nonsense could have had serious consequences, I use his bridle and carry a stick (not to hit him with but to have as an arm extension to stop him from going somewhere I don't want him too).

Hanyways, in the end I'm afraid I don't think there are any quick fixes *sigh*

I wouldn't discount the Dually, but I think there is a whole approach that goes along with it. I think it comes with an instructional video? And there is the Perfect Manners, Perfect something else and something else books which from what I've read make good sense and would be worth a go?

Also, you don't see many second hand Dually's for sale! At least when I was looking there wern't many and those that came up went for lots. So I reckon maybe if people don't sell them that often thry can't be that unhappy with them? And, it means if you did invest and it didn't work out you at least know you'll get a good price for it :)

In the end I took the plunge with Parelli. I've got a few friends who know a thing or two about it ;) ;) ;) So I reckoned I could bother them when I got stuck :w00t: He can still get away from me - like the other day, when Jim's muzzle came away in my hand when I was leading them both out and there was no way Clyde was gonna be staying with me when Jim whizzed past him :w00t: But we have dealt with pigs, ostrich and the scariest cement mixer ever in recent weeks without it happening :thumbs: The two times he has nearly done it (other than when Jim got loose) I have been able to use one of me Parelli moves to disengage his HQ and it has really worked, but it has taken longer to get to this point than I thought it would. Ah but I've learnt so much else along the way .......

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Jersey Girl — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:25:22 GMT

Totally Madz no one can hold bob when he decides to shoot off (Like he did tonight grrr he is sooo in my bad books) but anyways.

Normal headcollars are as useful as chocolate tea pots, rope halters were not better, parelli halter didn't help I even after (ashamed to say but it was after months of people saying it put a chifney on him - prodominately to prove it did not work - which it didnt!)

And the only thing I stand any sort of chance of dominating bob has been the Dually Halter! They are expensive but will last a life time if looked after.

But you cannot turn them out in them so if joey is hard to catch etc they can be a hinderance (but as far as I am aware Joeys fine).

I've had mine about a year now and its barely showing and signs of wear and bobs has seriously tested it at times!

RE: Dually Halters

Tatty — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:00:37 GMT

Can you reuse them then? Or do you use a new one every time you use the halter?

Sorry to be thick, but I would much prefer to use the halter than my be-nice (which can be a little severe, I think).

RE: Dually Halters

RosJ — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:58:37 GMT

You can also attach wheel trims to the wheel so they don't fall off as well.

Versatile little things, aren't they :hehe:

Could you try leading him in his Dr.Cook BB Madz? (I think you got one...? :ermm: )

It might work because the pressure is situated on his submissive points, instead of just being pressure on his head.

RE: Dually Halters

Tatty — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:40:35 GMT

Sorry, TH - that doesn't help. I still don't know they are!!:P

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Tally Ho — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:27:18 GMT

Them little plastic things that you fasten your number plate on with when it's hanging off :P

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Tatty — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:03:39 GMT

What is a zip tie?

RE: Dually Halters

Tally Ho — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:02:35 GMT

[quote][b]JV (18/02/2010)[/b][hr][quote]The only downside to me is that sometimes, when turning horses out, I rather wish they had a clip instead of tying a knot. [/quote]

Ahh TH you only need to tie a clip to the string (and with a zip tie to stop it from undoing) ..and you clip to the loop, that's what I do and have done for ages, simples :D[/quote]

:rolleyes: i'll do that then.

I started off using my rope halter for problem solving, but I just can't use anything else now. If I get a resistant, awkward horse, I use a bit of downward pressure just to remind them and only do anything with them when they respond by immediately lowering the head. It's just a respect thing. I'd honestly be very surprised if you found a Dually better :hehe:

RE: Dually Halters

JV — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:33:51 GMT

[quote]The only downside to me is that sometimes, when turning horses out, I rather wish they had a clip instead of tying a knot. [/quote]

Ahh TH you only need to tie a clip to the string (and with a zip tie to stop it from undoing) ..and you clip to the loop, that's what I do and have done for ages, simples :D

RE: Dually Halters

Zychrono — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:29:49 GMT

I would never use anything but ropoe halters now too. He really shouldn't be able to work against you in it. I've had Charlie run past me & still manage to pull him up from behind just because he is in a rope halter & he is easily as strong as Joey.
Stck with the rope - I'm certain it's more effective than a dually ;)

RE: Dually Halters

Indiangel — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:21:25 GMT

I used a rope halter for about 3 months - for the first few it was brilliant, but now it's just like a normal head collar cause he seems to have grown resistant to it - I dunno what else would explain it but now he's just not responding anymore in one. This is only for his bad days - which is why I thought of a dually cause they can act like a normal head collar too like the one Kitty made me. In a rope halter he'll still tank off when he wants too or rear, he didn't used too but now he will =\ Most days I can lead him in a bog standard nylon, but on his bad days I would like something with a bit more meaning to it - if that makes sense?

RE: Dually Halters

Tally Ho — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:03:55 GMT

I bought a Dually about a year ago for any bolshy horses that come in, but once I discovered the thin rope halters, there was no comparison.

I don't honestly think there's anything better. Not just for difficult horses - for all of them. The only downside to me is that sometimes, when turning horses out, I rather wish they had a clip instead of tying a knot.

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Tatty — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:08:12 GMT

I have a dually, but really don't use it. Daf can be a real handful when leading - he gets very playful. I use a Be-Nice halter - if you google it you will find lots of info. I have good control in this. Wouldn't dream of leading him anywhere in a headcollar.

I know a lot of people like rope halters but I have real trouble doing them up and keep them done up - the knot keeps slipping (I know this means I am not doing it right but just can't seem to get to grips with it).

Dually Halters

Indiangel — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:40:56 GMT

I really didn't wanna have to rely on another bit of equipment, BUT, I also don't want to sell him - so, I'm gonna ask!

Are duallys worth it? I've never been the BIGGEST fan, but I don't dislike them either. Joey's problems are that he's a pain in the **** to lead - not always, but some days. He'll rear, bolt, push and generally faff around knowing just how strong he is. He KNOWS how to lead, he just decides it's far more fun to do his own thing sometimes. He is better than he was, he now backs up for you with considerably less arguments and his bad days are being replaced by good mostly. But I still don't want a horse who's so unpredictable over the smallest things. My instructor's a leather joinery person and made me one, but it's a tad small so I was thinking about buying one of the IH ones?

But they're really expensive and don't wanna buy something if it's not gonna work. It's hard to tell if the one that was made for me works or not as it's small so pinches him.

This is the one made for us, not quite the same as the IH one as obvs they're made slightly differently - which is why I thought of buying one?

[img]http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/829/img05621u.jpg[/img]

We've done the old 'lead rope over nose' thing, which worked till he got wise to it - same as the rope halter. He's responsive to pressure

What are your experiences of them - and what about sizings? My friends cob is a lw but about the same height as Joey - but he's got a smaller head and is in a small - Joeys got a big head and is in full for normal head collars so I was thinking of the medium?

My mum WOULD buy it, she's said she'll pay ANYTHING to fix him and keep him, she was very happy to spend £60 on a horse whisperer despite how they might not come out with anything to help! But I don't want her spending it if it won't work as some horses I know hate duallys